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You need an inter chiller with temps at 55 degrees?? Why?? I went for a romp yesterday and ambient temp was 92. There is a reason for a chiller. Got 1.5 years on my warranty. Then I will build my own. Right off the factory a/c unit. Using a direct exchange unit. DX,, heat exchanger. A bit more tubing , 3 way valve, and sum gas will all it will take. A tank,, don't think so. Why?? Have all the components already installed.
 


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Finally collected all the data. Although DA went down, Humidity and grain size shot through the roof. It was really a fight against time.

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Can't wait to have an interchiiler so even 130 IATS are not a thing.
Oh man, I can't wait for some DA like that, very good. The humidity was getting up there on last 2 passes, that's the bad thing about racing into the night vs during the day.
 


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You need an inter chiller with temps at 55 degrees?? Why?? I went for a romp yesterday and ambient temp was 92. There is a reason for a chiller. Got 1.5 years on my warranty. Then I will build my own. Right off the factory a/c unit. Using a direct exchange unit. DX,, heat exchanger. A bit more tubing , 3 way valve, and sum gas will all it will take. A tank,, don't think so. Why?? Have all the components already installed.
Get your money back on the warranty, and do what you want or don't let warranty hold you back.
 


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Looking at your data......

That last run would have been a 9 second pass in my car....probably a 9.95. For some reason you lost 2MPH at both the 1/8th and 1/4 points.

How did you determine knock was false? Did you make a pass on the Q16 with knock sensors left a lone and still see some knock? Sorry if I missed that.

For comparison, at ChallengerFest last week DA was about +2500 and my IATs at the end of the quarter were around 155 - 160° F. I don't run an interchiller. My car was pulling about 2° of timing due to IAT in the logs. Mine was on E85 and VERY happy.
 


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You need an inter chiller with temps at 55 degrees?? Why?? I went for a romp yesterday and ambient temp was 92. There is a reason for a chiller. Got 1.5 years on my warranty. Then I will build my own. Right off the factory a/c unit. Using a direct exchange unit. DX,, heat exchanger. A bit more tubing , 3 way valve, and sum gas will all it will take. A tank,, don't think so. Why?? Have all the components already installed.
So here is why I need an interchiller. At the start of my run, I'm at 111.2* by the end of the run I'm at 135*. This is unfortunate because the car is unpredicatable. If you have a chiller of sorts you can maintain a cool temp up to and until WOT. Here is my fastest pass of the night. 10.02 @ 140MPH. Imagine not having any timing pulled cause of temps and being able to hot lap the car if necessary during a competition.

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This is still a work in progress!

Looking at your data......

That last run would have been a 9 second pass in my car....probably a 9.95. For some reason you lost 2MPH at both the 1/8th and 1/4 points.

How did you determine knock was false? Did you make a pass on the Q16 with knock sensors left a lone and still see some knock? Sorry if I missed that.

For comparison, at ChallengerFest last week DA was about +2500 and my IATs at the end of the quarter were around 155 - 160° F. I don't run an interchiller. My car was pulling about 2° of timing due to IAT in the logs. Mine was on E85 and VERY happy.
On the last pass I spun. Here is the log, see the dip in the speed.
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So I spoke with some tuners, reviewed a lot of tuners "tunes" that they provided to me graciously and was told straight up: No mufflers, no resonators, solid motor mounts, a 2.72 pulley and a drive train that is solid, the body is going be sending signals to those knock sensors as soon as they find that right harmonic frequency which is just an artifact of the car. I also additionally had crap spark plugs in so it was a combination of things to test.

The Q16 was added to the 105 in a 1:5 gallon ratio (and it will not be run again, this was purley a safety measure). I ran the car down as comfortable as I felt, one notch below the 1/4 tank. Filled up with the gap sauce. The tune was revised to be conservative but still open up the knock sensors. They were multipied by 1.5 across all cylinders.

Promises I made to myself:
If I saw knock with the "R7" timing (which I never have) and Q16 with desensitized sensors tune in the car I was going to shut it down for the season and have the motor pulled. (Run 1)
If I saw knock with the "R8" timing (which I did not that night) and Q16 with desensitized sensors tune in the car I was going to shut it down for the season and have the motor pulled. (Run 2)
If I saw no knock in the "R7" tune, upgraded to the full timing in R8 and collect data. (Run 3)
If I saw no knock in the "R8" tune, leave the car alone and enjoy it till either you see knock or she gives other indicators of problems. (Run 4)

The car was screaming that night and it was fun, I am confident that like many have said it is a combination of bad gas (I will only ever get BP), the noise from my car (my car is fucking loud), and heat (affecting the bad gas). I have attached my logs for your review if you want. I also noticed that when a car spins and finally hooks it sends that right amount of "noise" to the sensors. But I will not desensitize for that, that's an unfortunate part of the game. The R8 is not a street tune, right now she is on a limited timing tune for 93 octane, which I got and filled up at BP this morning to flush out the Q16 that's left.
 


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Mcat,, I will end up doing what I wish to do. You are correct cause I may and lukin at the Hellion twin turbo kit. Fuman, I do see what you are saying. But with this set up you can run the DX system till your run, turn it off to retain that 10 HP you are using up, and turn it back on after the run. Best of both and don't have that extra weight with the chiller.
 


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So I spoke with some tuners, reviewed a lot of tuners "tunes" that they provided to me graciously and was told straight up: No mufflers, no resonators, solid motor mounts, a 2.72 pulley and a drive train that is solid, the body is going be sending signals to those knock sensors as soon as they find that right harmonic frequency which is just an artifact of the car. I also additionally had crap spark plugs in so it was a combination of things to test.

The Q16 was added to the 105 in a 1:5 gallon ratio (and it will not be run again, this was purley a safety measure). I ran the car down as comfortable as I felt, one notch below the 1/4 tank. Filled up with the gap sauce. The tune was revised to be conservative but still open up the knock sensors. They were multipied by 1.5 across all cylinders.
Those logs do look conservative for a Q16/104 race gas mix so that's good. I personally wouldn't multiply the knock sensors by 50% across the board, that's quite a bit. Not trying to tell you what to do with your car but I'd focus on the areas that actually showed false knock and adjust them by 10% until it went away on the Q16 with current timing advance then you know you're golden and can bring a bit more timing in on the good fuel. My 109 octane tune I used to run was about what yours is now but I had almost zero 93 in the tank when I dumped the race gas in there. I know some tuners do just use an across the board multiplier but it's a sloppy way to do it IMHO. The solid motor mounts and all that will be a factor for you but I'd still be as conservative as you can be with the sensors as they're the last line of defense for the motor.

Other than that, just go have fun. Sounds like you're enjoying the car again which is great!
 


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LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO!

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Hell yeah! Welcome to the 9 second club! 143 mph is smoking
 


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Hell yeah! Welcome to the 9 second club! 143 mph is smoking
Theres a ton left. Torque MGMT kicked in and closed the tb. That or the trans was like weeeeeeeee!
 


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Dang that mph is awesome! I won’t be surprised if you go farther in the 9s.
Congrats! I bet you are thrilled you didn’t sell.
 


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Congrats! I know it’s been a frustrating journey but you made it. Happy for you. 👍
 


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Guys, i have nothing useful to add to this thread, admittedly I know piss all about drag racing compared to you all.
But i follow this thread closely, because it's very interesting.
Thanks for such a kick ass discussion.
 


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Two to make it true.
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Car spun but in third gear pulled like a freight train. On my way! Back from the track video soon
 


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Way to GO ! Congrats, the mph is smokin, the DA is awesome !

Now go get a 9.8x
haha, aleady planning on upgrades this winter… e85 is for sure happening but maybe ill get that 9.8 in colder weather

Dang that mph is awesome! I won’t be surprised if you go farther in the 9s.
Congrats! I bet you are thrilled you didn’t sell.
Haha yeah, love hate relationship with this car and right now i love

Like I said, once the DA gets good it would go 9's. Congrats!


Congrats! I know it’s been a frustrating journey but you made it. Happy for you. 👍
To say the least, i remember reading a post about the journeys, some times the number comes easily, some times you have to scratch and claw your way for every second

Thank you!

🤘

Guys, i have nothing useful to add to this thread, admittedly I know piss all about drag racing compared to you all.
But i follow this thread closely, because it's very interesting.
Thanks for such a kick ass discussion.
Hey if you are here youre already ahead of the game. If it wasnt for this forum I probably be banging my head against the wall.
 


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Two to make it true.
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Car spun but in third gear pulled like a freight train. On my way! Back from the track video soon
Dude, you almost got that 9.8 tonight, your right there, great mph, Congrats !
 




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